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Readers'
FVI Questions
After the interview, I invited
readers to submit their FVI-related questions to
Jim. Here are the questions submitted, with
Jim's answers:
Dear Greywizard:
Great interview with Jim Bertges of FVI.
Although it was not listed in your interview,
one of my favorite FVI movies is the 1983 film
The Pod People a.k.a. The Return of
E.T. Actually, I really do not care for the
movie, but the treatment given to it by Mystery
Science Theater 3000. The Pod People
version of MST3K has to be one of my favorites.
I think many loyal readers of this site are or
were fans of MST3K. I have
never heard from anyone who was involved in a
movie that ended up on MST3K.
My questions to Mr. Bertges would be as follows:
1.) What, if anything do you know about this
movie? Pod People starts as a teen-slasher
movie, but ends up trying to be a sappy kids
movie with a silly alien. Was this originally
started as a horror film but changed to cash in
on the success of E.T.?
2.) Did you ever see MST3K version of it and
what was your opinion?
Keep up the good work
J. Canker Huxley
Jim: Like man of the
films listed as having been released by Film
Ventures, this
is one in the fuzzy area I'm not sure of. The
film is listed as being made in 1983, but
released in 1984. 1984 was the year FVI was
abandoned by Ed Montoro and only had a few films
in release--this was not one of them. There are
two possibilities, either it is mistakenly
listed as an FVI movie (I've never seen it, even
on MST3K, so I don't know if it bears the FVI
logo; or it was picked up after FVI was bought
by INI and was released under the FVI banner
after I was gone. I'm sorry I can't provide more
insight or interesting information on this one.
Other films that fall into this "fuzzy" category
include Grizzly II, Master Ninja I
& II, Hundra, Ellie, Alien
Predator and Criminal Act.
Hi again,
I was the one who gave you the info on FVI and
could you tell Jim Bertges
that I appologize on the confusion of ARC and
FVI.
I thought FVI and ARC were kind of the
same, but got confused. Sorry. But I wanted to
ask Jim if he knew anything about Beyond the
Door, despite he didn't work at FVI when
Beyond the Door was released. But I was
wondering if he might know some questions
regarding it.
1- Even though you didn't work at FVI until
1979, do you know anything about the law-suit
Warner Bros. filed against Montoro over
Beyond the Door in 1974, claiming it was an
Exorcist ripoff?
2- Beyond the Door also had a
sequel also made by FVI around the time you came
to work for FVI. Do you know why Beyond the
Door II was credited a sequel to the first.
Apparently I can't find anything similar except
the actor David Colin who was in both films. (I
didn't see Oliver Hellman's (director of
Beyond the Door 1) 1990 prequel Beyond
the Door III).
3 - Did you hear any good
stories about some of FVI's better films like
Grizzly or Day of the Animals?
Thanks for your time
John
Jim: (1) As you said,
this one was before my time at FVI and while I
was there, there were certain things that
weren't discussed, like past lawsuits. Like many
foreign movies Film Ventures released,
Beyond the Door stole ideas blatantly
from popular films and worked them into their
stories. This is what made these films so
exploitable for FVI, but it also meant that
lawsuits were
inevitable.
(2) You have probably found the
only similarity in the two films besides their
distributor. Beyond the Door was a
great success for Film Ventures and when
they found another horror film with a similar
theme and one of the same
actors, the saw dollar signs and made it
Beyond the Door II. As usual it all
comes down to money.
(3) Unfortunately, no. When I
was there, they were concentrating on the new
films they were distributing and working on and
didn't do a lot of reminiscing about the old
ones. We did get occasional visits from Richard
Jaekel and phone calls from Chris George, but no
talk of those older films. Those films were made
while FVI was based in Atlanta, Georgia and many
of the staff members didn't move with the
company when it came to Los Angeles (that's
where they picked up all the AIP old timers). In
fact, some of the Atlanta staffers went over to
another low budget company called International
Picture Show which made some Tim Conway
comedies, The Billion Dollar Hobo
and They Went That Away and That Away.
Oh, and don't worry about the FVI/ARC thing, it
was even confusing for those
of us who worked there.
I saw that you wanted us to
write in with our own questions and I have had
one but didn't know who to ask: Most of the
movies released by Film Ventures International
were pretty bad, a few were watchable and one or
two were kind of enjoyable, I was wondering if
you could ask Mr. Bertges if he's ever been
approached by anyone to do remakes of some of
them?
Also I would like to know who did the artwork
for the movie posters and
such, they are extremely high quality
(especially Mutant) was it one company
who did them all?
Thank you,
Eric
Jim: The majority of the movies that Film
Ventures released were "pick ups", that is
finished films that were brought to FVI by the
producers who were looking for distribution. The
powers at FVI would negotiate
a deal for the
distribution rights for the films for a certain
period of time, which could be as much as 20
years. Eventually the rights to the films would
revert to the original owners unless FVI bought
the complete rights to the film outright. So, to
actually get to an answer, people wanting to
remake films distributed by FVI would have to do
some research to discover who actually holds the
rights to a particular film in order to secure
remake rights. There were several films that
were actually produced by FVI, these included
Day of the Animals, Grizzly,
The Dark, Kill and Kill
Again and Mutant. Those
titles were probably included in the deal that
sold FVI and all its library to INI. As far as I
know, there have been no inquiries about
re-doing any of the FVI titles.
When I was at FVI we had two different design
agencies working for us. One
was B.D. Fox and Friends who did the campaign
for Cardiac Arrest and some
special projects and quickly priced themselves
our of our range. They went on to do lots of
work for Universal and Fox. The other company
was called Design Projects Inc. and they did the
bulk of the campaigns from '79 on.
They employed artists like Jack Lynnewood, Rudy
Obrero, Brian Whitten, Scott McLeod and others.
For me one of the most interesting aspects of my
job at FVI was participating in the creation of
these campaigns and watching them develop from
sketched ideas into full campaigns. The Ad
campaigns were
usually better than the movies. Several years
after FVI folded, I ended up
working at Design Projects which turned out not
only to be an Ad Agency, but
became a production company as well. Design
Projects is where the film
Demowarp was made.
For the most part at Film Ventures we operated
without publicists. In the later years we did
hire two different guys to handle publicity, but
neither one lasted too long. But mostly the odd
calls came to me. I dealt with an organization
for the deaf who needed a synopsis of the movie
before they went to see it. I dealt with people
from the Count Dracula Society/Academy of
Science Fiction and Fantasy Films (Dr. Donald
Reed) when they wanted to set up special
screenings. I got coverage for some of the FVI
movies in Fangoria and Cinefantastique. What
ever the receptionist didn't know how to deal
with came to me. So, one day I got a call from
the Dallas newspaper that their movie critic,
John Bloom, wanted to start a more "down to
earth" kind of movie criticism column. He wanted
to review Drive-In movies for the masses and
since our film The Grim Reaper was
heading to Dallas, he needed publicity materials
on it. I gathered as much material as I could on
the film, providing a set of stills, a one page
synopsis and some posters and sent them on to
Texas. Later, when I got a copy of the column
back in the mail, I noticed that the name on the
column had changed (presumably to protect the
guilty) to Joe Bob Briggs. This was his first
column and I was sure from then on to send him
materials on movies that fit his review
parameters (which was just about all of the FVI
product).
I'd like to know some more
about FVI's practice of releasing movies whose
copyrights had expired under new titles (Pod
People, Cave Dwellers,
Space Travelers, etc.). How
did they get started doing this? Why were the
new credits sequences composed of footage from
other movies? (For example, the opening credits
sequence to Pod People
features aliens that look totally different from
those in the actual movie.)
TVsGrady
Jim: I can't give a specific answer
regarding Pod People since that's
a film that was
released after the company was
bought by INI (or it's not actually an FVI film
at all). However, FVI does seem to be a champion
at retitling, doesn't it? The top contender in
that category has to be the movie we re-released
as The Female Butcher when I was
there. The first reason for changing a title was
that the film was a foreign "pick up" and the
foreign title didn't have the proper
exploitative ring to it. The other reasons had
to do with the times in which these films were
released. As I said previously these were the
earliest days of VCRs and Drive Ins and Grind
Houses ruled the land of exploitation films.
That, plus the fact that these films were
released regionally made changing titles a
frequent practice simply for monetary reasons.
If a film didn't perform well in a territory
under a certain title, it was retitled and a new
campaign was created for the next territory. Or
if a film performed well one year in the Grind
houses of New York's 42nd Street, then the next
year it got a new title and a new look for the
posters and newspaper ads and it was sent out
again. There were even instances where the genre
of the film was changed in the ads to see if it
would sell better as a horror film instead of a
gangster film. It was all done to squeeze as
much money out of each film and the existing
prints as possible.
Now, I'm not sure about adding different footage
from other films. They did
produce new titles and had them cut into the
first reel of a retitled picture. This would not
be very extensive footage since it cost money to
shoot and make prints of the new titles. The
expense of changing titles had to be kept to a
minimum. Doing this for a TV release would be
more practical since it would only would involve
a limited number of prints, but FVI didn't have
a TV or ancillary department until its later
years. And once a copyright expired, it was not
possible to sell a property to any ancillary
outlet because the buyer would be as liable as
the seller. Those who buy films for TV are well
aware of this and would require proof from the
seller of his rights to the property being sold.
UPDATE:
Recently, Jim was kind enough to send me a
copy of a feature article on FVI published in
The Hollywood Reporter on May 1, 1984. Some
of the more interesting details:
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Edward L. Montoro got into the
film business because of an accident. In 1968,
he barely survived a plane crash that placed him
in the hospital for three months. "When I got
out of the hospital," he explained, "I decided
that I would do whatever I wanted to do for the
rest of my life. And I decided I wanted to make
movies."
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Despite knowing "absolutely
nothing about moviemaking," Montoro
determination eventually resulted in him
writing, directing and producing the nudie
picture Getting Into Heaven, which
ended up making almost 20 times its $13,000
budget.
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Russ Meyer gave Montoro a lot of
advice in the starting up of FVI.
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Montoro's big break came with
buying the distribution rights to Boot
Hill. Although he initially had trouble
selling the movie, his fortune turned when
Embassy Pictures began its successful launch of
the Terence Hill / Bud Spencer movie They
Call Me Trinity. Seeing that Boot
Hill also had Hill and Spencer in its
cast, Montoro redesigned the ad campaign to
focus on the two actors, then followed Embassy
from town to town, releasing (to great success)
his movie shortly after Trinity
played and left.
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Montoro considered Grizzly
the best picture he ever produced.
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Montoro at this point had little
interest in scary fare. "Let someone else make
them. I think they've sliced and diced people up
in every way humanly possible."
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At the time of the article,
Montoro seemed to be seeing that days were
numbered for the independent film. He noted that
independents now had to produce more of their
own product to survive, instead of relying on
pickups. He also pointed out that with cable and
TV making their own movies, they would soon only
want the blockbusters. "You have to spend $2.5 -
$3.5 million to compete on any level at all."
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Concerning the illness Montoro
had (which was mentioned on an update of the
original interview page by ex-FVI employee Rick
Albert), the article gives some more insight
into this. The previous year, Montoro had woken
up sick, and decided then to change his
lifestyle. Gone was his workaholic schedule. He
lost weight, and ditched his long hair and jeans
for a typical business appearance. He also
bought a trawler, which he started to spend long
periods on cruising up and down the coast.
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Most interesting of all, the
article ends with this answer from Montoro
concerning the question of what he'll do next:
"Early retirement. I'm serious. That'll be a new
stage of my lifetime career. I want to head for
my boat and quit all this."
UPDATE
2: "John" sent this along:
"I am not sure if this can
help you, but after reading your interview with
Jim Bertges, a former employee at Film Ventures,
you asked him information concerning Grizzly
2. I found some information on why
Grizzly 2 stayed un-released from Nick Maley,
who worked as the special effects designer on
the film. You might already know some of the
details, but I'll try and clear up the mess
concerning Grizzly 2. Back in 1976, Ed
Montoro and Film Ventures released Grizzly
and the film opened with to everyone's
suprise to major success earning a very large
some of cash. Montoro decided to smuggle the
cash away for himself, which eventually led the
film's director William Girdler and
producers/writers David Sheldon and Harvey
Flaxman to file suit against Montoro to have the
profits returned. Ironically, that same year,
another killer grizzly film was being made and
released from Alaska Pictures, an exploitation
thriller called Claws starring Jason
Evers. Because Grizzly was making money,
the producers of Claws re-released the
film worldwide, and called it Grizzly 2,
to capitalize on the success even though the
film had no relation to Grizzly. William
Girdler was killed in a helicopter accident in
1978, and it was up to David Sheldon to write
the "real" Grizzly sequel which was
called Grizzly 2: The Predator and was
shot in 1983 starring Charlie Sheen. Montoro, to
my knowledge probably had nothing to do with
this sequel, even though he owned the rights to
the original Grizzly, he might have
stayed away because of the law-suit Sheldon and
Girdler filed against him back in 1976.
Grizzy 2: The Predator was cancelled during
pre-production due to special effects problems,
at least that's what I remember Nick Maley
telling me. Sheldon tried to finish the project
in 1986, but still had no luck and to this day
the film still is unfinished. I admitted myself
that I saw Grizzly 2 The Predator, but I
later found out that the film I saw was actually
Claws, under it's retitled name
Grizzly 2. The funny thing was, I remember
seeing a documentary on George Clooney, who
remarkably had a role in Grizzly 2 The
Predator and he told the interviewer about
the film and that the film's financier had
suddenly disappeared which is what Clooney
claims that the film was unfinished. I sometimes
wonder, was that financier Montoro? But I'm sure
I'm wrong since Jim Bertges cleared that up for
you in your interview. I hope this can give you
some insight on the whole Grizzly 2
thing, it was always confusing to us who were
fans of the film."
UPDATE 3: Nick Maley sent
this in: "I just found myself
mentioned on your webpage http://www.badmovieplanet.com/unknownmovies/reviews/fvi2.html
in relation to Grizzly 2: The Predator.
The movie did NOT fold due to special effects
problems. It was a long time ago and many
details escape me now but the main unit shots
were essentially complete and we had not started
to film the effects miniatures that we were
planning when we were suddenly told the movie
was pulling out of Hungary. It was our
assumption that they were out of money. They
said that we would continue but were shipping
everything (including the animatronic bear that
we had completed) to the US for storage. This
was a big concern for me as I had taken a big
pay cut to be able to Direct these sequences. To
add insult to injury all the crew's PERSONAL
equipment was impounded by the Hungarian
Government, supposedly for the company's non
payment of money due to Malfilm.
"The producers were reportedly...
Ross Massbaum .... co-producer
Suzanne Nagy .... producer
Joseph Proctor .... producer
Joseph Ford Proctor .... producer
"I only dealt with Joe Proctor who said finance
came from a bank in Huston.
"Somebody, I don't recall who, the movie WAS
released. I remember being told that some FX
person in the US "got the bear working" although
we had swapped a lot if the r/c around in the
hope that they would have to come back to us to
complete the project and therefore comply with
the agreement that I would head the unit to
shoot those sequences. Perhaps problems getting
it started up are at the heart of reports that
problems with special effects stopped the
picture. The movie business is full of false
rumors. If a pidgin had crapped on the food
wagon there might have been a rumor that Hungary
was being bombed and there was a direct hit on
the Budapest water supply : )
"I did not head Special Effects. I was Make-up
and Animatronic Effects Supervisor
"It is listed on IMDB as Grizzly 2: The
Concert with the year 1987. But most credits
are missing from their record so I wonder if all
their info is hearsay. I have wondered if it
wasn't a tax write-off. Making a movie and not
releasing would seem reminiscent of The
Producers. The budget was purportedly 6
million."
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